You know how it goes. Somebody posts something on facebook, says something in their post. Two mutual friends who don’t know each other start arguing over a completely unrelated point! Ahh, entertainment in the Internet Age.
Well, one of my friends posted a link to the same clip from the movie John Adams that I wrote about yesterday and somehow the topic turned to establishing a new government! Now remember, this clip from the movie was on the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration did not establish any government. It only said that the 13 American Colonies were throwing off a tyrannical government. The new government was not established until 11 years later with the Constitution of the United States.
Minor historical semantics, I know. Which always makes such exchanges between complete strangers on opposite ends of the political spectrum, in different States that much more interesting.
First, from “Rick.”
“So why aren’t we abolishing and instituting a new government? This one has obviously become too big for itself. And why is it that everyone who says something close to this is considered a “crazy liberal” at best, or a terrorist at worst? I hate to paraphrase for something so serious from a not so serious movie, but ‘this Country needs an enema’!”
Yes, well, wouldn’t a new Constitution look positively eloquent with contemporaries such as Rick drafting it? A reply, from “Marcus.”
“Rick, I think few on the Right want a new government because we believe the one we have is salvageable. We have a great constitution if we’d just ABIDE by it rather than attempting to render it a nullity. Problem is, it’s going to take YEARS of HARD work by ardent conservatives. Moderates would only undo the efforts.
The Left has been talking about a new constitution for years and their concepts are just downright insane and tyrannical.
The reason WHY someone who suggests a new government or constitution is branded a crazy liberal stems from the Left’s proposal for a new one. There’s a tangible fear on the Right that any new constitution would be decidedly Leftist and would relegate us to being a Third world socialist country devoid of liberty.
…and, uh, nice Batman quote from Jack Nicholson.”
You’ve got to like a guy who knows his movie quotes! Rick’s typical Leftist “I got NOTHIN’” retort.
“Until we stop viewing the problems in this country as left or right oriented, we will solve nothing. It is an AMERICAN problem.”
Yeah. So was polio. We dealt with that, too. My reply isn’t quite as nice as Marcus’. And not quite as off-topic as Rick’s.
“Someone needs an enema, all right.
@Rick…do you have any conceptualization of what you are calling for? I mean, tell me what step one would be? Would it be a Constitutional Convention? Or would it be the outright repeal of the Constitution itself? Would the States have to call for a new government/Constitution? Or would Congress, having been established, have to do the honors?
Then you get into the sheer logistics. Let’s go down the path of repealing the Constitution. Three-quarters of states. How likely do you think that will be…hmm??? And how many years will it take?
Then let’s consider the idea of a Constitutional Convention in the Internet Age. Heck, the FIRST one almost didn’t happen and it had men named Madison, Hamilton, Franklin, Washington, et al. I’m not seeing too many of those around these days. Further, the Convention was able to happen because almost nobody knew it was going on…do you think even the Libertarian Party could pull together its own version, with nominal attendance, and not have round-the-clock coverage and analysis? “What did so-and-so say?” “What is their background?” “What did they call for?” “Who opposed their motion?” “What is Parliamentary Procedure, anyway?” A nightmare at best, impossible at worst.
Now, consider the alternative. Half-plus-one and Roe gets kicked to the States. Doesn’t matter who the President is. Republicans could have done this while CLINTON was President! My point is not to argue pro-life issues, but to illustrate the SIMPLICITY by which most of our problems could be dealt with.
How about Social Security? Half-plus-one plus the signature of the President and we have a privatized system…or at the very least, we begin moving toward the same.
Versus your half-cocked scheme to launch a new government in the image of the Libertarian Party of America.
EPA. 1/2-plus-1 plus POTUS putting his pen to paper and, at the least we revise the role of the Federal government in environmental law. Or perhaps even remove it entirely.
War Powers Act of 1973. Same thing. 1/2-plus-1 plus POTUS using up 25 souvenir pens affixing their signature.
How about for argument’s sake, items of a bit more Libertarian leaning? How to get rid of the Fed? Now, ending the IRS would be a whole lot easier than repealing the 16th Amendment. Just b/c Congress HAS the Power to levy income taxes doesn’t mean it HAS to levy income taxes. 1/2-plus-1 and the IRS goes away, replaced by the VAT. Oh, AND the POTUS signature, of course. Obviously, repealing things like the 16th and 17th Amendments are a bit more tedious…3/4’s of States, and all that.
Oh, and don’t forget the part about 2/3’s of the Senate…that’s a real pain that nobody ever considers. Consider the topic of a Constitutional ban on abortion…seems a whole lot easier to me to simply do the 1/2-plus-1 and remove Roe from the Courts. Send it to the States rather than getting THREE-QUARTERS of ’em on board, ya know?
A Constitutional Convention is simply fool’s speak. Quite simply stated, good luck with that. Wake me up when you achieve it.”